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What is Salvation and How to Obtain itWelcome, Guest. or to use the forums. Did you miss your October 27, 2009, 03:36:32 PM | Bible Search | | | | 1 Member and 2 Guests are viewing this topic. Pages: [4] AuthorTopic: What is Salvation and How to Obtain it (Read 474 times) Member Manna: 7 Online Mood: Gender: Posts: 110 Blog entries () « Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 10:55:35 AM » Andrew Wommack says it better than I can: Here is a radical truth that would get me kicked out of most churches: Sin is not an issue with God! The Lord isn’t waiting for us to ask Him to forgive us of our sins. The sins of the entire world—past, present, and future—have already been forgiven. Even a man like Adolf Hitler had grace extended to him! Jesus loved Hitler and paid for his sins just as He did for you and me. God is no respecter of persons (Rom. 2:4). God has already done His part; it is now up to you to receive the truth by faith and make it a reality in your life. Amen! Note: His program, The Gospel Truth is now airing Mondays (today) on TBN. 10:30 Pacific - 11:30 Mountain - 12:30 Central - 1:30 Eastern For some reason, Andrew Wommack explains things the way I have come to the same conclusion? Andrew Wommack is one I really do like listening to and I do have some of his teachings as what he says does line up with the word of God. Jimmy it is through freewill that God gave us to choose what is right to do and what is wrong to do. Adam sinned through a freewill choice of disobedience and through that it separated Adam from God Spiritually, which is why he was cast out of the garden. When God asked Adam where he was after Adam hid himself in the garden, it wasn't that God could not find him, but was asking where are you now Spiritually with me. Sin had now come into the thoughts and actions of man through this act of Adam and has separated all of us from God through our flesh because there is no one without sin and for this purpose is why grace came (Jesus) to redeem us from our sins and to bring us Spiritually back to God. It is by one mans disobedience that introduced something that should have never been, but now is. Sin is not sin until the knowledge of it is revealed, but is still sin.LoggedJoshua 24:15 as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. must be about my fathers business Legendary Member Manna: 151 Online Mood: Posts: 5166 Blog entries () « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 12:01:14 PM » Andrew Wommack says it better than I can: Here is a radical truth that would get me kicked out of most churches: Sin is not an issue with God! The Lord isn’t waiting for us to ask Him to forgive us of our sins. The sins of the entire world—past, present, and future—have already been forgiven. Even a man like Adolf Hitler had grace extended to him! Jesus loved Hitler and paid for his sins just as He did for you and me. God is no respecter of persons (Rom. 2:4). God has already done His part; it is now up to you to receive the truth by faith and make it a reality in your life. Amen! Note: His program, The Gospel Truth is now airing Mondays (today) on TBN. 10:30 Pacific - 11:30 Mountain - 12:30 Central - 1:30 Eastern For some reason, Andrew Wommack explains things the way I have come to the same conclusion? Andrew Wommack is one I really do like listening to and I do have some of his teachings as what he says does line up with the word of God. Jimmy it is through freewill that God gave us to choose what is right to do and what is wrong to do. Adam sinned through a freewill choice of disobedience and through that it separated Adam from God Spiritually, which is why he was cast out of the garden. When God asked Adam where he was after Adam hid himself in the garden, it wasn't that God could not find him, but was asking where are you now Spiritually with me. Sin had now come into the thoughts and actions of man through this act of Adam and has separated all of us from God through our flesh because there is no one without sin and for this purpose is why grace came (Jesus) to redeem us from our sins and to bring us Spiritually back to God. It is by one mans disobedience that introduced something that should have never been, but now is. Sin is not sin until the knowledge of it is revealed, but is still sin. You quoted banished and then directed your comments to me. I don't quite get the connection. What banished quoted from Womack is not anything that I would agree with. And it doesn't seem like you would agree with that either.LoggedChristian Forums« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 12:01:14 PM » Logged Junior Member Manna: 2 Online Mood: Posts: 15 Blog entries () « Reply #47 on: Today at 08:09:06 AM »Here is a radical truth that would get me kicked out of most churches It is not a radical truth, but just an opinion. Sin is not an issue with God! It is an serious issue! That is why He says we should be holy, for He is Holy, that is why He warns that any soul that sins shall die, etc. Also see scriptures in Gal. 5: 19-21 that list some sins and warn that those who indulge will not enter the kingdom of God. The Lord isn’t waiting for us to ask Him to forgive us of our sins. Mat. 7:7 declares: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.. Also, 1 John 1:9 declares: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Note the conditionality If. So, without confessing and repenting from our sins, He will not forgive us our sins. The sins of the entire world—past, present, and future—have already been forgiven. Then why would every man be judged at the end according to his/her works? If such a man or woman is condemned at the end, will it not be because of sins (unrighteousness)? God has already done His part; it is now up to you to receive the truth by faith and make it a reality in your life. Amen! Indeed, God had done and continues to do His part in our lives. Jesus Christ came to intercessorily bear the sins of mankind, overcoming same in order to obtain power over sins common to mankind. He gives and ministers that power to overcome sins unto those who go to Him. The power of faith (and the power of all things greater than faith) overcomes the world. For example, love, which is greater than faith, covers the multitude of sins inter alia. If, according to Womack, God has already forgiven all sins past, present and future, how is it that He commands us to love so that our multitude of sins can be forgiven?LoggedGrace and peace from God and from the Christ unto all!Christian Forums« Reply #47 on: Today at 08:09:06 AM » Logged Member Manna: 7 Online Mood: Gender: Posts: 110 Blog entries () « Reply #48 on: Today at 11:23:16 AM » Andrew Wommack says it better than I can: Here is a radical truth that would get me kicked out of most churches: Sin is not an issue with God! The Lord isn’t waiting for us to ask Him to forgive us of our sins. The sins of the entire world—past, present, and future—have already been forgiven. Even a man like Adolf Hitler had grace extended to him! Jesus loved Hitler and paid for his sins just as He did for you and me. God is no respecter of persons (Rom. 2:4). God has already done His part; it is now up to you to receive the truth by faith and make it a reality in your life. Amen! Note: His program, The Gospel Truth is now airing Mondays (today) on TBN. 10:30 Pacific - 11:30 Mountain - 12:30 Central - 1:30 Eastern For some reason, Andrew Wommack explains things the way I have come to the same conclusion? Andrew Wommack is one I really do like listening to and I do have some of his teachings as what he says does line up with the word of God. Jimmy it is through freewill that God gave us to choose what is right to do and what is wrong to do. Adam sinned through a freewill choice of disobedience and through that it separated Adam from God Spiritually, which is why he was cast out of the garden. When God asked Adam where he was after Adam hid himself in the garden, it wasn't that God could not find him, but was asking where are you now Spiritually with me. Sin had now come into the thoughts and actions of man through this act of Adam and has separated all of us from God through our flesh because there is no one without sin and for this purpose is why grace came (Jesus) to redeem us from our sins and to bring us Spiritually back to God. It is by one mans disobedience that introduced something that should have never been, but now is. Sin is not sin until the knowledge of it is revealed, but is still sin. You quoted banished and then directed your comments to me. I don't quite get the connection. What banished quoted from Womack is not anything that I would agree with. And it doesn't seem like you would agree with that either. I was replying to banish that I too like to listen to Andrew Womack. The rest of my reply was for you Jimmy. LoggedJoshua 24:15 as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. must be about my fathers business Member Manna: 7 Online Mood: Gender: Posts: 110 Blog entries () « Reply #49 on: Today at 11:55:41 AM »For example, love, which is greater than faith, covers the multitude of sins inter alia. If, according to Womack, God has already forgiven all sins past, present and future, how is it that He commands us to love so that our multitude of sins can be forgiven? Glorious this is your question and here is my answer: First we have to walk in love as that is Gods greatest commandment in Matthew 22:37-40 and to love each other no matter what one does against us and to forgive unconditionally also. Below in Mark if we are asking anything of God we also have to have forgiveness in our hearts for others in order for God to forgive us our sins. Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have aught against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. LoggedJoshua 24:15 as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. must be about my fathers business Newbie Manna: 0 Offline Mood: Posts: 9 Blog entries () « Reply #50 on: Today at 01:09:10 PM »Hi, no one gets such a nonsense as eternal life, mistranslations use this term. Only God Almighty is eternal, all humanity will recieve aionion life or life for the ages to come, effectively immortality, but never does the whole of humaity recieve life eternal, that is impossible.LoggedChristian Forums« Reply #50 on: Today at 01:09:10 PM » Logged Member Manna: 7 Online Mood: Gender: Posts: 110 Blog entries () « Reply #51 on: Today at 02:49:26 PM »Hi, no one gets such a nonsense as eternal life, mistranslations use this term. Only God Almighty is eternal, all humanity will recieve aionion life or life for the ages to come, effectively immortality, but never does the whole of humaity recieve life eternal, that is impossible. John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Our flesh will return to the ground from where it came, but our spirit is what goes to live with Jesus for eternity because our flesh is as a filthy rag to God, Isaiah 64:6. Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. LoggedJoshua 24:15 as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. must be about my fathers business Senior Member Manna: 10 Online Mood: Gender: Posts: 1529 Blog entries () « Reply #52 on: Today at 02:56:05 PM »The promises of God re. eternal life, as in the verses from Scripture quoted by Ms Debbie, are very precious indeed. Hi, no one gets such a nonsense as eternal life, mistranslations use this term. Only God Almighty is eternal, all humanity will recieve aionion life or life for the ages to come, effectively immortality, but never does the whole of humaity recieve life eternal, that is impossible. John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Our flesh will return to the ground from where it came, but our spirit is what goes to live with Jesus for eternity because our flesh is as a filthy rag to God, Isaiah 64:6. Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. LoggedJohn 3.16 contains great theology. Read God's Word prayerfully every day. Try vacationing in Myrtle Beach: plenty of sun, and some great churches down there! 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